Print

Dean Review Consultation Questions

Written submission to Dean review

Submission number: DR-41

Name of individual making submission: DR-41 John Elliott

Responses to questions in submission form


Section A - The Public Interest in this Review

1. What do you understand by public interest?

The public would be best served if the current government organizations like the MOL or MTCU were mandated under legislation to protect the public, the lack of is no excuse to start "privatizing" with college of trades security forces.


2. Who should the College serve? Who is “the public” in the public interest and what groups make up the public?

If the college were to be run and operated as a proper not for profit it should serve both the public and the tradespeople.


3. How should the College make decisions in the public interest where different segments of the public may have opposing interests?

The college should not exist in its current form, other organizations such as MTCU, Ministry of Labour, TSSA or ESA is capable and should be doing enforcement and decision making.


4. Is the College currently protecting the public interest?

The college is not protecting the public to the extent it says it is. If anything the college is creating more underground workers.


5. How should the College advance the public interest?

The college should not exist in its current form, other organizations such as MTCU, Ministry of Labour, TSSA or ESA is capable and should be doing enforcement, decision making and speaking to the public.





Section B - Issues Related to Scopes of Practice (SoPs)

6. What impact do SoPs in regulation have on your daily work activities or on the way you conduct business? What aspects of an SoP are important to the work of your trade? Please explain.

The scope of practice already comes from the MTCU for most or all trades. A lack of proper structure or the inability to even try to follow the same structure and approach from what info we have from past decades is no excuse to bring in a non-democratic cash cow like the college of trades.


7. Do you agree with the suggestion that trades may have core elements as well as peripheral elements?

Yes there is both, however both are just as important to have a well rounded tradesperson.


8. What should be the key elements of an SoP? In particular, should the SoP for a trade list all of the tasks, activities or functions in which an apprentice should be trained, only those that are unique to the trade, or only those that may pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople or other workers on the job? Please explain.

You can never train or test everyone on everything,and scope of practice comes with joining an apprenticeship. I think Dean not being a tradesperson he does not understand the whole mentoring thing we all do as apprentices and we work within and build on our own skillsets and our own personal SoP over time.


9. How should a review or change in SoP be carried out?

MTCU, Ministry of Labour, TSSA or ESA is capable and should be doing this function.


10. Can or should the existing SoP provisions support the College’s diverse functions (e.g., apprenticeship training, enforcement, classification reviews)? Please explain.

The college is not training apprentices. The diverse functions should be done by MTCU, Ministry of Labour, TSSA or ESA.


11. Should the entire SoP for a compulsory trade be enforceable or be subject to enforcement? Please explain.

no, it's impossible to enforce entire SoPs.


12. Could the College benefit from a distinct list of compulsory activities that may pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople or other workers on the job? Please explain.

The college should not even exist in its current form, let alone be doing this type of work.


13. What is your understanding of what an overlap between SoPs is?

Respondent did not provide a response to this question


14. Do overlaps between SoPs in regulation have an impact on your daily work or on the way you conduct business? Please explain.

no


15. Does the application of the third legal interpretation principle on overlapping SoPs pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople, or other workers on the job? Please explain. If so, what can and should be done about it?

Why don't you have questions that are not mumbo jumbo lawyer speak?





Section C - Classification or Reclassification of Trades as Compulsory or Voluntary

16. What makes a compulsory trade compulsory and what makes a voluntary trade voluntary?

Law / legislation.


17. Is the current classification of trades as either compulsory or voluntary aligned with the College’s duty to serve and protect the public interest?

The college should not even exist in its current form, let alone be doing this type of work.


18. Is it reasonable to assume that there may be elements in the SoP for a trade that are inherently hazardous or that may pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople, or other workers on the job?

welcome to the world of trades work. danger comes with trades work, these are not office jobs.


19. Could compulsory certification be limited to either the core elements of a trade or those tasks, activities, or functions that may pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople or other workers on the job? What kind of impact would these approaches have on your daily work or on the way you conduct business?

Should not be limited.


20. Should the College continue to rely on an adjudicative review panel approach (i.e., the Ontario Labour Relations Board model) or should a different model be considered? Please explain.

The college should not even exist in its current form, let alone be doing this type of work.


21. How should expert opinion be obtained?

Do we not have government departments and many trades organizations to deal with these things or did we just abolish them all?


22. Are the current criteria for trade classification reviews set out in O. Reg. 458/11 consistent with the public interest? Please explain.

Everything could be compulsory if there wasn't these new barriers being set up by the Ontario government and their union supporters. There's not been a real problem before, suddenly the public is dying from unqualified tradespeople?


23. Are the criteria specific, clear and measurable enough to inform you of what data and evidence are needed to meet those criteria?

Yes, the criteria for the trades I have worked in it is very clear.


24. Are the existing criteria the right criteria?

some adjustments could be made.





Section D - Decisions of the Ontario Labour Relations Board (OLRB)

25. Do the scopes of practice (SoPs) in regulation reflect the way in which work is actually assigned in your trade or sector?

Again mumbo jumbo. This review is very narrow in scope and is a joke. Kathleen wynne says theres going to be a review for transparency and these are the questions we get asked? joke.


26. Do you agree with the notion that most jurisdictional disputes arise from peripheral elements of the trades? Please explain.

Respondent did not provide a response to this question


27. What consideration should the College give, if any, to the decisions made by the OLRB in jurisdictional or work assignment disputes under the Labour Relations Act? If the College were to adopt the OLRB's decisions, what impact would that have on your trade and the way you conduct business? Please explain.

The college should not even exist in its current form, let alone be doing this type of work.





Section E - General Response and Comments

28. Please provide additional comments below, if any.

These questions sound like the Dean Review already has a pre-determined outcome. How abpout the lies we've been told about how the college spends it money? How about the "independant from government " lies we've been told? Why is ex-politicicans and lawyers running this? Why is the head of working families party at the top of the appointments council? why are we lied to when the college compares themselves with the teachers college or college of physicians ? Why was I threatened to stop recording the "public" board of directors meeting? This review is not at all what the tradespeople thought was happening. I would like to talk with the Dean review people in Hamilton.