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Dean Review Consultation Questions

Written submission to Dean review

Submission number: DR-9

Name of individual making submission: DR-9 Timothy Ridley

Responses to questions in submission form


Section A - The Public Interest in this Review

1. What do you understand by public interest?

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2. Who should the College serve? Who is “the public” in the public interest and what groups make up the public?

The college needs to serve the interests of its paying membership first since membership pays for the OCOT and not the public. That would mean value for membership and to be able to vote in the board of governors like every other regulatory college in the Province.


3. How should the College make decisions in the public interest where different segments of the public may have opposing interests?

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4. Is the College currently protecting the public interest?

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5. How should the College advance the public interest?

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Section B - Issues Related to Scopes of Practice (SoPs)

6. What impact do SoPs in regulation have on your daily work activities or on the way you conduct business? What aspects of an SoP are important to the work of your trade? Please explain.

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7. Do you agree with the suggestion that trades may have core elements as well as peripheral elements?

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8. What should be the key elements of an SoP? In particular, should the SoP for a trade list all of the tasks, activities or functions in which an apprentice should be trained, only those that are unique to the trade, or only those that may pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople or other workers on the job? Please explain.

It has done nothing to update training standards for apprentices and is still using material created by the MTCU.


9. How should a review or change in SoP be carried out?

Membership needs to be able to vote in its own trade boards so changes can be brought to the board of governors and membership is actually heard.


10. Can or should the existing SoP provisions support the College’s diverse functions (e.g., apprenticeship training, enforcement, classification reviews)? Please explain.

No. Current SoP need to be scraped and membership needs to have both the board of governors and trade boards voted in so memberships ideas are properly heard and new SoP's can be submitted.


11. Should the entire SoP for a compulsory trade be enforceable or be subject to enforcement? Please explain.

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12. Could the College benefit from a distinct list of compulsory activities that may pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople or other workers on the job? Please explain.

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13. What is your understanding of what an overlap between SoPs is?

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14. Do overlaps between SoPs in regulation have an impact on your daily work or on the way you conduct business? Please explain.

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15. Does the application of the third legal interpretation principle on overlapping SoPs pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople, or other workers on the job? Please explain. If so, what can and should be done about it?

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Section C - Classification or Reclassification of Trades as Compulsory or Voluntary

16. What makes a compulsory trade compulsory and what makes a voluntary trade voluntary?

Membership should be able to vote on that distinction.


17. Is the current classification of trades as either compulsory or voluntary aligned with the College’s duty to serve and protect the public interest?

No. My trade is compulsory but a member of the public can purchase automotive parts, fix a vehicle and put it on the road yet I have to pay membership fees.


18. Is it reasonable to assume that there may be elements in the SoP for a trade that are inherently hazardous or that may pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople, or other workers on the job?

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19. Could compulsory certification be limited to either the core elements of a trade or those tasks, activities, or functions that may pose a risk of harm to the public, tradespeople or other workers on the job? What kind of impact would these approaches have on your daily work or on the way you conduct business?

Respondent did not provide a response to this question


20. Should the College continue to rely on an adjudicative review panel approach (i.e., the Ontario Labour Relations Board model) or should a different model be considered? Please explain.

Respondent did not provide a response to this question


21. How should expert opinion be obtained?

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22. Are the current criteria for trade classification reviews set out in O. Reg. 458/11 consistent with the public interest? Please explain.

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23. Are the criteria specific, clear and measurable enough to inform you of what data and evidence are needed to meet those criteria?

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24. Are the existing criteria the right criteria?

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Section D - Decisions of the Ontario Labour Relations Board (OLRB)

25. Do the scopes of practice (SoPs) in regulation reflect the way in which work is actually assigned in your trade or sector?

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26. Do you agree with the notion that most jurisdictional disputes arise from peripheral elements of the trades? Please explain.

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27. What consideration should the College give, if any, to the decisions made by the OLRB in jurisdictional or work assignment disputes under the Labour Relations Act? If the College were to adopt the OLRB's decisions, what impact would that have on your trade and the way you conduct business? Please explain.

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Section E - General Response and Comments

28. Please provide additional comments below, if any.

Membership paying fees into the OCOT needs to be able to vote in the board of governors just like all other regulatory college in the Province. The current board of governors and trade boards need to be dissolved and new ones voted in. The Registrar of the OCOT position needs to be put to a term and voted on by membership. There needs to be value for membership for a 600% increase in fees to maintain a trade license. Former employees that worked for the MTCU that moved into the OCOT get a pension and membership is paying for it. This needs to stop until all paying members get a pension as well. Salaries of OCOT staff need to be approved by membership.